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	<title>Comments on: Ning.com Questionable TOS</title>
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		<title>By: thebluestbutterfly</title>
		<link>http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/2007/08/06/ningcom-questionable-tos/comment-page-1/#comment-30448</link>
		<dc:creator>thebluestbutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of joining Ning. I am not now. I would remove myself from any networking site that had such terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of joining Ning. I am not now. I would remove myself from any networking site that had such terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose DesRochers</title>
		<link>http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/2007/08/06/ningcom-questionable-tos/comment-page-1/#comment-30436</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose DesRochers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, I&#039;ll stress that I assume many are not aware of the license that allows one to create derivative works from other users content.

 I also see that some users have the same concerns as me and I noticed that some have brought it up on networkcreators. 

With  many of us asking the same question don&#039;t you think it is time you changed the terms or made them clearer.

I just signed up for a ning network and they have the same terms on sign up.

 I believe that I have brought up a value point. I don&#039;t feel comfortable putting anything  on this public site and hopefully others will pay close attention to what in my opinion I feel is a right grab in your terms. 

&#039;Maybe Marc Andreessen will have  something to say regarding the terms.

Thank you for dropping by and commenting, but I&#039;m not sure what more there is to say at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I&#8217;ll stress that I assume many are not aware of the license that allows one to create derivative works from other users content.</p>
<p> I also see that some users have the same concerns as me and I noticed that some have brought it up on networkcreators. </p>
<p>With  many of us asking the same question don&#8217;t you think it is time you changed the terms or made them clearer.</p>
<p>I just signed up for a ning network and they have the same terms on sign up.</p>
<p> I believe that I have brought up a value point. I don&#8217;t feel comfortable putting anything  on this public site and hopefully others will pay close attention to what in my opinion I feel is a right grab in your terms. </p>
<p>&#8216;Maybe Marc Andreessen will have  something to say regarding the terms.</p>
<p>Thank you for dropping by and commenting, but I&#8217;m not sure what more there is to say at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil McCluskey</title>
		<link>http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/2007/08/06/ningcom-questionable-tos/comment-page-1/#comment-30432</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil McCluskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rose,

I don&#039;t think you can get any fairer than letting people choose the appropriate license for their content.  It&#039;s also important to point out that the license only applies within the Ning network; outside of Ning no licensing rights are asserted at all.

As I said on the Network Creators post on Ning in which you raised the issue, our default license for content matches the license and approach we&#039;ve always taken to the code that we create and provide for Ning applications; we make it freely available for viewing and modification. We think that encourages learning and creativity and interesting new things. If you don&#039;t like or agree with the default license, you can assert another license that restricts or tailors the kinds of thing that can be done with your content on Ning or within a specific private network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rose,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can get any fairer than letting people choose the appropriate license for their content.  It&#8217;s also important to point out that the license only applies within the Ning network; outside of Ning no licensing rights are asserted at all.</p>
<p>As I said on the Network Creators post on Ning in which you raised the issue, our default license for content matches the license and approach we&#8217;ve always taken to the code that we create and provide for Ning applications; we make it freely available for viewing and modification. We think that encourages learning and creativity and interesting new things. If you don&#8217;t like or agree with the default license, you can assert another license that restricts or tailors the kinds of thing that can be done with your content on Ning or within a specific private network.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose DesRochers</title>
		<link>http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/2007/08/06/ningcom-questionable-tos/comment-page-1/#comment-30426</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose DesRochers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Why do you have to offer a default license that allows users to create derivative works from other users content.

I bet you the 75000 social networks that have been created on Ning  and every user who belongs to a network are unaware that Ning or any user can create derivate works from their content unless they create a Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs&quot; in the text box on their profile page. 

Why don&#039;t you create a license that is more fair to authors, artist and photographers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Why do you have to offer a default license that allows users to create derivative works from other users content.</p>
<p>I bet you the 75000 social networks that have been created on Ning  and every user who belongs to a network are unaware that Ning or any user can create derivate works from their content unless they create a Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs&#8221; in the text box on their profile page. </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you create a license that is more fair to authors, artist and photographers?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil McCluskey</title>
		<link>http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/2007/08/06/ningcom-questionable-tos/comment-page-1/#comment-30425</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil McCluskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, you need only assert the rights as you want them to be defined; something like &quot;All contributed content © {your name here}&quot; or &quot;All contributed content made available under Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs&quot; in the text box on your profile page should suffice. The Public or Private Content License is the default, yes. If you add a license to the content that you contribute here, that content is governed by that license; rather than overruling your license, the Ning terms explicitly enable your chosen license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, you need only assert the rights as you want them to be defined; something like &#8220;All contributed content © {your name here}&#8221; or &#8220;All contributed content made available under Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs&#8221; in the text box on your profile page should suffice. The Public or Private Content License is the default, yes. If you add a license to the content that you contribute here, that content is governed by that license; rather than overruling your license, the Ning terms explicitly enable your chosen license.</p>
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